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Edit: changing thread title from "Some Chainmaille I've made" to "the Chainmaille thread" because I want to see what all you folks are working on.

If you're into this kinda stuff, most of what I've made isn't really crazy. But it's all stuff I've made myself, and I like them.

First, my quest for the end-all be-all necktie. This bad boy goes with any shirt, will never get a crease if not hung up properly, never needs to be tied, can be cleaned in your dish washer, and is made out of aluminum and stainless steel rings in the dragon scale pattern. I did straight up purchase this as a kit from The Ring Lord. But seriously this doesn't take a lot of skill, just a lot of dedication. I'm roughly 3/4ths the way through at this point and have been working on it since like January I think. Maybe Feb. My one challenge is it hangs just a little lower than the collar on a nice shirt. I think I need to tighten the neck portion of it (which is just a place holder for now) but it's already quite difficult to clasp. It's not uncomfortably tight though, so if anyone knows of a tensioning claps (sort of like what some watches use, but much smaller maybe?) that can be used in conjunction with a regular lobster clasp to first latch then tighten, that'd be neat.

Roughly 4250 rings at this point. 20 SWG 3/16" ID stainless and 20 SWG 1/8" black anodized aluminum.

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I also made a bracelet with o-rings out of dragonscale. This is a pretty common item to make. It's fun though. I also found out that it can be a fun place to put my whiskey glass. I used square wire equivalent of 16SWG 3/8" aluminum and a 1:3 ratio of orange and red 1/4" rubber o-rings.

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Here is a candle holder I made for a family member for Christmas. Most people make these much smaller, think votive candle sized. I made this to fit a 4" jar that you can either put a whole 3-wick candle in or just use a spent jar to place a votive in, whatever works. I really enjoyed adding some scales to this, and it was a reason for me to incorporate a lot of different weaves including Euro 4 in 1, Euro 6 in 1, Japanese 6 in 1 (not pictured, floor of the inside), helm mail, captive inverted round and my first use of scales. Most of this is 5/16" 16SWG stainless, but I used a few different sizes for the helm, captive inverted round, and Japanese portions. I was inspired by similar things but this was made up as I went and a completely original design. I was in a rush to get it done for Christmas so I don't have any weights, ring counts, or good pictures, but it weighs something like 4 lbs and hangs about 2.5-3 feet long.

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Lastly I've got a dice bag I made. I'm pretty sure this is one of the first things most beginners will make in the chainmaille world. At least anyone who isn't doing exclusively smaller gauge jewelry. So again, nothing too special. I did however figure out that you could do worm-bore/reinforced inverted round around the ends of a leather (or in this case para-cord) cord to create a cool little aglet on the end. In this instance I wanted to use color to match the die, so it's aluminum, but when I did this with stainless steel it had enough tension on the cord to start spreading the rings apart a millimeter or so. So... yeah, nothing is holding them on but tension, but I was amazed at how much tension I could get on them and still close the rings to continue the weave.

I'm also proud of drilling pretty much straight through the middle of a D10 without a drill press. I had to file the end a little bit to get started, then use a hand drill intended for modeling to go very slowly and be as straight as possible. I'd line it up with one edge so I knew I was perfect in at least one orientation, drill a few turns, then line up with the next edge and slowly keep working hoping the law of averages would guide me straight. I thought I was off center by the time I could see it peaking at the outside of the other side so I decided to drill in from the other side. Turns out I was wrong about what I thought was the drill bit showing through and was surprised when I literally hit the hole dead-on coming from the other side. I then used a power drill to slowly expand the size. I have yet to try this again, been pretty distracted by the necktie.

5/16" stainless 16SWG for everything but the colored rings on the aglets

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Necro bump. Finally decided to get into this hobby that I've been on the fence about for (looks at previous post) 4 years now.

Have some links in the mail from amazon that should be here tomorrow. I'll post whatever I make here (they are all silver for now so no fancy color ones through I'm sure if I enjoy it I'll get those later)
 

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I'm no expert, but I'm no novice either if you have any questions, let me know. What kind of material you working with first (metal and ring size)? What pattern do you plan on starting with? Hope you have fun. Any plans for making something in particular, or just planning on putting some pieces together before figuring out what you want to make?
 

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I bought these so 16g 5/16 aluminum rings also bought this through mostly for the pliers. I plan on starting with some bracelets and was looking at a persian 6 in 1 which from watching a couple videos on it looked easy enough.

Might make a dicebag at some point (probably buy some more colors if I do that)

Starting small with an end goal in mind since I tend to get distracted otherwise.
 
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Just watched a bonus documentary on Lord of the Rings describing how they solved the problem of getting decent-looking chainmaille without having to smith each ring the hard way. Other studios had used loose yarn with metallic paint, which they said didn't look right and didn't move right.

Turns out they got good results by slicing some rubber pressure hose into rings, making a cut to open the rings, painting them metallic colors, and gluing the cut ends back together as they went about assembling it.

Might make for an easy way to try new patterns.
 

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Cool to see this thread get some revival years later. Unfortunately we were pregnant with our second kid when I started this and that means I've had considerably less free time. Haven't done much chainmail in the last few years. But I did finish the necktie, (in 2020 I'm pretty sure) so I figured I'd send some updated pics. If we get more posts I'll change the name of the thread to not be me-centric.

I don't dress nice much, and finished this during the height of COVID lockdown I think, so I actually haven't gotten a chance to wear this much. It looks sharp. I should stop using stainless because it's heavy. I'll have to weigh it but I think something like a pound. It's not that much that your neck gets sore or anything, but it's enough that you need to adjust it to be very tight to have it stay up in a nice place. I threw a random piece of paper in my pocket because I didn't want to share my company logo and this is the shirt I keep next to my desk for when I have customer facing calls.

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Just watched a bonus documentary on Lord of the Rings describing how they solved the problem of getting decent-looking chainmaille without having to smith each ring the hard way. Other studios had used loose yarn with metallic paint, which they said didn't look right and didn't move right.

Turns out they got good results by slicing some rubber pressure hose into rings, making a cut to open the rings, painting them metallic colors, and gluing the cut ends back together as they went about assembling it.

Might make for an easy way to try new patterns.
The ring lord produces "engineered plastic" rings for this kind of thing. They're designed to snap closed, but be cheap and lightweight. They're a great option for costumes not only for that but also because you don't need a pliers for assembly so you can work quickly. Ok I haven't actually done the math on weight and ring counts to compare price but I'd imagine they're cheaper.

https://theringlord.com/rings/engineered-plastic/
Edit: hmmm... I could be wrong. I'm looking at that and they say they're solid rings, not jump rings. So what you do is instead of opening every ring and attaching it to the piece of work you have to open every-other ring and both attach it to both the piece and a new closed ring. So that's 50% of the opening and closings. I swear someone made jump rings intended to snap closed out of plastic though. Scratch that, they sell both solid and jump rings on that page. It's early, I'm not with it this morning.
 
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Found out my friend, who's never played DnD in his life, that I hadn't caught up with in like 1.5 years, who has a kid younger than my youngest (who's 3) has a brother in law that ran a one-shot campaign set at a carnival for his whole family, kids included. I'm super jealous. I've made no secret that I'm long-game angling for family RPG nights. I'm considering killing him and stealing his family doppelganger style. You know, as friends do.

So anyway, we've had a couple rough medical bills so I gotta wait a bit, but I'm absolutely going to be making dice bags for the kids in their favorite colors. I'm considering trying to do scalemail ones. Could be neat. But the see through nature of a loose weave so you can see the dice inside is always kinda neat.
 

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For those who didn't know:
For heavier gauge rings you start out as a n00b with the same old needle nose that everyone else uses. Then you move to Bernards https://i.etsystatic.com/6285090/r/il/83ca42/2734570253/il_fullxfull.2734570253_kkq8.jpg because you figure those will work better, and boy do they.
I have been using my end game pliers for a while now (the 6" though the make a tiony expensive 5" if you want to work a bit smaller without grinding 6" narrower) View: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005EXOK0Y/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
. Now I need a mandrel to work with gauges that the Ringlord doesn't make.
For finer gauge the internet now offers many smaller jaw parallel jaw jewelers pliers https://www.google.com/search?q=par...6LWltZ5gCAKACAJgDAJIHAKAHLQ&sclient=img&udm=2 that look like baby Bernards. Many are small so you can lose/hide them in your hand. These are a little obvious as they are called "Jeweler's Pliers". You can get soft caps for the Jeweler's Pliers as well as those knipex for soft/precious metals. I guess in a 3d printer world you can probably get soft covers for any pliers these days.
If you are considering the Stanley parallel pliers, don't. They are not parallel jaw so even if you grind off the teeth they will be better than needle nose but still not good.

TLDR: Needle nose pliers suck, no matter what old SCA chainmaillers may tell you.
 
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My latest in-progress is a 16 SWG stainless belt out of dragon scale.

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I made myself a dragonback bracelet recently. Need to figure out how to make dragonscale next but I'm currently making myself a dice bag (I'm a work so no picture)

I am attempting a pattern with the red "growing" each row but I'm not super liking it so might take it apart and do something different.

After looking up a guide on dragonscale (which is different from persian dragonscale) I remembered why I hadn't made it. I only have the single ring size still.
 

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So for Pride I made myself (well mailing this one to my cousin but already started my own) a bisexual pride bracelet, well more of a cuff.

Took me a few hours finished it with 4 magnetic clasps so it is fairly secure once connected.
 

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More bracelets

I made 3 of the wider ones and ended up giving them all away to friends/family.

I've since had other people inquire about buying some which has led me to making a google sheet that breaks down the cost per bracelet.

Need to figure out a better shipping method (the 2 I shipped I just used a priority envelope and it was 10$ each).

But I'll probably make some to sell if for no other reason than to have an excuse to buy more colors
 

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Well this post is months in the making. More than half a year. It started when I was trying to reconnect with a buddy and he'd mentioned that his brotherh-in-law ran a one-shot D&D campaign for his family where they played carnival games. I was pretty jealous. I've long since wanted to indoctrinate introduce my kids into games and some day have a weekly or fortnightly family D&D campaign and here this chump that's never played an RPG in his life beat me too it when his kids were every bit as young as mine! I asked and they already had dice for everyone, so I decided I would make them dice bags. If they're gonna be nerdy kids, they're gonna be the most coolest nerdiest kids there is!

Then I also happened to see a limited edition translucent pink with sparkles and hearts dice set from kraken dice that just fit my oldest as well, so I figured "welp, I better make my own family some dice bags too." I have a plan to make a campaign for the sole purpose of going on fetch quests to surprise them with real-world dice when they complete in-game objectives. When they're old enough to focus. Which is gonna be a few years.

So I set out to make 8 special unique dice bags. (I wove some ribbons through some of them and that's not coming through great in this picture. The below pic of the twisted square-wire shows what that looks like a little more close up.)
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I'm going to go left to right bottom to top here.

-Bottom left- stainless steel 5/16" 16swg rings. While these are a surprise for his family I did give my friend a heads up and the benefit of being able to make requests for him and his wife. He never got back to me (and this was around when money started to get tight) so he got a more basic bag. But I was able to weave in red and black ribbons for him. Its the only steel bag I made here and you'll notice most of them have "square" bottoms because I like that, but I figured I'd try a round bottom for him. The only one I've ever made that wasn't square.

-Bottom 2nd from left - Aluminum 5/16" 16swg for his wife, same as his but aluminum and square bottom. I was going to do leather straps for them with a die as a cinch, but I found I was procrastinating because I couldn't pick dice to use on the bags as I was working and decided to just be more basic and let them pick their own die and I would come back and do that for them some day if they wanted.

-Bottom middle - This was a bit of a mess. Its for my god son and I wanted to make it the most unique I've done so I used what is square wire twisted to be 16swg equivalent in 5/16" rings (anodized aluminum), but what I didn't count on is how much weaker those rings are because twisted square wire doesn't actually have the same thickness of the equivalent round wire. So I decided to double the links (called kings maille 8 in 2 instead of 4 in 1). The problem is I ran out of rings fast. So I transitioned between kings maille at the top and bottom and regular euro 4 in 1 in the middle to give it a different look and shape. I also added my "aglets" like in my first post in this thread as my sort of signature there. It worked out in the end, but if I had the budget I'd re-do it. He likes blue.

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-Bottom 4th from left - Anodized aluminum 16swg 1/4" rings. This is for their youngest and I loved how the pattern turned out so much that it's the only one I re-used. Because of the smaller rings it's a tighter weave and the bag wasn't as big. He likes yellow.

-Bottom right - Anodized aluminum 14awg (same as 16swg) 7mm rings. I ordered these from weave got maille as opposed to all the others from the ring lord. Partly because she likes "teal, but really any bright colors" and they had more color options available, but also to add a middle of the road ring size between 5/16" and 1/4". Its not just striped, there's actually a slightly wavy pattern to it, but it turned out a little more subtle than I'd hoped.

-Top left - My wife's. I bought her some pink and black chessex dice and the bag was designed to match. This is the first piece I've ever made focused on scale maille. Its the ring lord small scales and whatever their recommendation for aluminum links to join them topped with 5/16 aluminum for the closure and bottomed with "Japanese 6 in 1" made from colors from our daughter's bags and some small black scraps I had. I had the idea to leave a "hole" in the scales to give it a silly "damaged" look like distressed jeans or something but also to give a window to the contents. I think it worked well. Im the most proud of this one. One negative... The scales are actually a poor choice as they could damage dice inside if you're rough with it. But it sure looks cool!
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-Top middle - Anodized aluminum 16swg 1/4" rings for my youngest. As mentioned I started this pattern on a different bag and liked it. Youngest kiddo likes orange and I was going to do a ribbon on hers but it turns out the shiny orange metal rings are hard to color match. I bought more rings for a bigger bag for my kids because... I wanted to!

-Top right - Same kind of rings for my oldest as youngest except she likes pink and obviously a different pattern.

I'm proud of all of these. I hope people bring me dice to drill through and I can make cooler closures for them all. I definitely would do some things different if I had the budget to just order whatever rings whenever I wanted without worrying about trying to consolidate orders for shipping and also if there was more granular control over color options. But I think there's always going to be something that I want to do cooler/better.

Now... off to think about how to design this campaign for my kids.
 

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So I got a couple chainmail "kits" from chainmail joe for xmas

https://chainmailjoe.com/products/c...l-book-23-000-ringsover-4-pounds-clasps-toolshttps://chainmailjoe.com/products/chainmail-joe-multi-color-multi-weave-kit1
First time I've had varying sizes (all my other stuff is 16G 5/16) and I have to say 18G is so small.

That said I've been "struggling" to come up with a project.

I've promised someone a transpride bracelet before pride so I have that but I want to see if I can find "plastic" white rings for the center so I can make a fully closed bracelet but despite having seen them so often on amazon prior to xmas I can't for the life of me find them now.
 

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Er... hides my 22GA 1/8"ID ring
I've already run into a few times where the 16GA rings snapped while I was making something. I'm worried that the 18GA ones are going to just break while I'm working with them. That said I think I'm going to attempt to make a keychain out of the 18GA colored ones.

Thanks for the link to the rubber rings those are more what I want. Something I can use as a base so I can have a stretchy bracelet since the magnetic clasps don't hold up as well as I'd like
 

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You're breaking 16ga rings? Made of what? Aluminum, like the kit you linked? That sounds like either low-quality wire, or you're working the metal too much. Admittedly, those 22ga rings are titanium, but I've never broke one. Even though titanium work-hardens quickly. You really shouldn't need to do much more than close them once or twice. If the former, tho, then I'd suggest buying from The Ring Lord. They're a quality supplier.
 
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You're breaking 16ga rings? Made of what? Aluminum, like the kit you linked? That sounds like either low-quality wire, or you're working the metal too much. Admittedly, those 22ga rings are titanium, but I've never broke one. Even though titanium work-hardens quickly. You really shouldn't need to do much more than close them once or twice. If the former, tho, then I'd suggest buying from The Ring Lord. They're a quality supplier.
yeah I've made and unmade a bunch of things and it isn't a regular occurrence maybe 10 rings over the last couple years. I've chalked it up to reusing rings cause I took something apart and just put them back in or just a weak ring.

The ones I have came from amazon but they are labeled as chainmail joe which from what I've read online is a quality supplier.
 

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yeah I've made and unmade a bunch of things and it isn't a regular occurrence maybe 10 rings over the last couple years. I've chalked it up to reusing rings cause I took something apart and just put them back in or just a weak ring.

The ones I have came from amazon but they are labeled as chainmail joe which from what I've read online is a quality supplier.
Oh, yeah. Aluminum work hardens fairly quickly, so repeated open/close sequences will definitely be an issue.
 

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So for my next project I'm going to attempt to make a chainmail turtle.

My current thoughts (and I need to test it out) is to do either Japanese 12 in 2 or 8 in 2 as the "shell" (twice top and bottom) and right now I'm thinking full Persian around the shell (the edge). Then I have some scales for the flippers and I haven't figure out what to do for the head yet but I think several weaves could work for a head.

I've been reading up on "chainmail basket weaving" to get some ideas and kind of figure it out in my head

Once I have something worked out (I'll probably do it in phases since I don't have the colors I want currently) I'll post updates
 

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So for my next project I'm going to attempt to make a chainmail turtle.

My current thoughts (and I need to test it out) is to do either Japanese 12 in 2 or 8 in 2 as the "shell" (twice top and bottom) and right now I'm thinking full Persian around the shell (the edge). Then I have some scales for the flippers and I haven't figure out what to do for the head yet but I think several weaves could work for a head.

I've been reading up on "chainmail basket weaving" to get some ideas and kind of figure it out in my head

Once I have something worked out (I'll probably do it in phases since I don't have the colors I want currently) I'll post updates
If you want to bake your noodle moorish rose would make a pretty shell for a turtle. I've only done it once and it was pretty mind bending to get started.

https://www.mailleartisans.org/weaves/weavedisplay.php?key=1078
 

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I've got a stash of spare supplies from when I was able to convince a makerspace to buy me rings. Got the wrong size for my plans on bracelets... So still haven't used them. I'd be interested in what folks are using for smaller magnetic clasps. Future exploration includes butt-soldering 20-22 AWG copper links with lead-free electrical solder for increased durability.
 

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I've got a stash of spare supplies from when I was able to convince a makerspace to buy me rings. Got the wrong size for my plans on bracelets... So still haven't used them. I'd be interested in what folks are using for smaller magnetic clasps. Future exploration includes butt-soldering 20-22 AWG copper links with lead-free electrical solder for increased durability.
I've been using some thing like these (the exact ones are no longer on amazon) and while they mostly work they aren't the strongest and recently I've run into an issue where whatever is holding the magnets in the clasp is failing on some of them so it ends up opening due to that.
 

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You weren't kidding on that being mind bending. I took an attempt at it (several actually) and couldn't figure it out. I'll probably give it another few attempts and then just go back to my plan of 12 in 2
I'm no expert, but there is advice out there on getting started. I think it might be helpful to try some very large AR rings to do a test piece so that you can understand the weave before starting work with your rings you want to actually use. And I think the weave requires a pretty high AR to begin with, so I'd definitely review the maille artisans page on it.

It's pretty satisfying when you do get it though. Good luck!
 

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I'm no expert, but there is advice out there on getting started. I think it might be helpful to try some very large AR rings to do a test piece so that you can understand the weave before starting work with your rings you want to actually use. And I think the weave requires a pretty high AR to begin with, so I'd definitely review the maille artisans page on it.

It's pretty satisfying when you do get it though. Good luck!
yeah I was looking through the guides on the maile artisan page and now looking for some youtube videos on it.