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Necro bump. Finally decided to get into this hobby that I've been on the fence about for (looks at previous post) 4 years now.

Have some links in the mail from amazon that should be here tomorrow. I'll post whatever I make here (they are all silver for now so no fancy color ones through I'm sure if I enjoy it I'll get those later)
 

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I bought these so 16g 5/16 aluminum rings also bought this through mostly for the pliers. I plan on starting with some bracelets and was looking at a persian 6 in 1 which from watching a couple videos on it looked easy enough.

Might make a dicebag at some point (probably buy some more colors if I do that)

Starting small with an end goal in mind since I tend to get distracted otherwise.
 
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Not bad for a first nights work if I do say. Took a bit to figure out the "trick" to the weave but nice and easy once I figured that out.
 

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My latest in-progress is a 16 SWG stainless belt out of dragon scale.

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I made myself a dragonback bracelet recently. Need to figure out how to make dragonscale next but I'm currently making myself a dice bag (I'm a work so no picture)

I am attempting a pattern with the red "growing" each row but I'm not super liking it so might take it apart and do something different.

After looking up a guide on dragonscale (which is different from persian dragonscale) I remembered why I hadn't made it. I only have the single ring size still.
 

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So for Pride I made myself (well mailing this one to my cousin but already started my own) a bisexual pride bracelet, well more of a cuff.

Took me a few hours finished it with 4 magnetic clasps so it is fairly secure once connected.
 

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More bracelets

I made 3 of the wider ones and ended up giving them all away to friends/family.

I've since had other people inquire about buying some which has led me to making a google sheet that breaks down the cost per bracelet.

Need to figure out a better shipping method (the 2 I shipped I just used a priority envelope and it was 10$ each).

But I'll probably make some to sell if for no other reason than to have an excuse to buy more colors
 

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So I got a couple chainmail "kits" from chainmail joe for xmas

https://chainmailjoe.com/products/c...l-book-23-000-ringsover-4-pounds-clasps-toolshttps://chainmailjoe.com/products/chainmail-joe-multi-color-multi-weave-kit1
First time I've had varying sizes (all my other stuff is 16G 5/16) and I have to say 18G is so small.

That said I've been "struggling" to come up with a project.

I've promised someone a transpride bracelet before pride so I have that but I want to see if I can find "plastic" white rings for the center so I can make a fully closed bracelet but despite having seen them so often on amazon prior to xmas I can't for the life of me find them now.
 

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Er... hides my 22GA 1/8"ID ring
I've already run into a few times where the 16GA rings snapped while I was making something. I'm worried that the 18GA ones are going to just break while I'm working with them. That said I think I'm going to attempt to make a keychain out of the 18GA colored ones.

Thanks for the link to the rubber rings those are more what I want. Something I can use as a base so I can have a stretchy bracelet since the magnetic clasps don't hold up as well as I'd like
 

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You're breaking 16ga rings? Made of what? Aluminum, like the kit you linked? That sounds like either low-quality wire, or you're working the metal too much. Admittedly, those 22ga rings are titanium, but I've never broke one. Even though titanium work-hardens quickly. You really shouldn't need to do much more than close them once or twice. If the former, tho, then I'd suggest buying from The Ring Lord. They're a quality supplier.
yeah I've made and unmade a bunch of things and it isn't a regular occurrence maybe 10 rings over the last couple years. I've chalked it up to reusing rings cause I took something apart and just put them back in or just a weak ring.

The ones I have came from amazon but they are labeled as chainmail joe which from what I've read online is a quality supplier.
 

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So for my next project I'm going to attempt to make a chainmail turtle.

My current thoughts (and I need to test it out) is to do either Japanese 12 in 2 or 8 in 2 as the "shell" (twice top and bottom) and right now I'm thinking full Persian around the shell (the edge). Then I have some scales for the flippers and I haven't figure out what to do for the head yet but I think several weaves could work for a head.

I've been reading up on "chainmail basket weaving" to get some ideas and kind of figure it out in my head

Once I have something worked out (I'll probably do it in phases since I don't have the colors I want currently) I'll post updates
 

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I've got a stash of spare supplies from when I was able to convince a makerspace to buy me rings. Got the wrong size for my plans on bracelets... So still haven't used them. I'd be interested in what folks are using for smaller magnetic clasps. Future exploration includes butt-soldering 20-22 AWG copper links with lead-free electrical solder for increased durability.
I've been using some thing like these (the exact ones are no longer on amazon) and while they mostly work they aren't the strongest and recently I've run into an issue where whatever is holding the magnets in the clasp is failing on some of them so it ends up opening due to that.
 

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I'm no expert, but there is advice out there on getting started. I think it might be helpful to try some very large AR rings to do a test piece so that you can understand the weave before starting work with your rings you want to actually use. And I think the weave requires a pretty high AR to begin with, so I'd definitely review the maille artisans page on it.

It's pretty satisfying when you do get it though. Good luck!
yeah I was looking through the guides on the maile artisan page and now looking for some youtube videos on it.
 

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So I ended up giving up on moorish rose while it looks amazing I just couldn't get it to work.

Ended up using Japanese 12 in 2 for the shell/head, full Persian for around the shell, and then scale for the flippers and tail. I think it turned out pretty well. Not 100% in love with the head (I think it looks goofy) but I can't think of a better way to make the head or how to fix it.

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Damn man, how long does it take to do those things? It must be a lot of time.
I normally do them when stuck on work meetings ;-)
If I had to guess probably like an hour or 2 for a pair. If I have the design in place I can do it with all the little rings closed which makes it much faster.
 

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Okay back to posting with a question.

Is there any good "bundles" that aren't crazy expensive but provide a decent amount of colors (all in one size) or sizes (preferably all in one color). I want to make more things but it is like ~$30 for a single size/color from the places I normally buy and honestly I don't need a 1/2lb of links in every color / size I want.
 

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What sizing do people go with on rings? Looks like a decent amount of my stuff for bracelets was probably wound on a 3/16" rod and was originally 16 or 18 AWG copper and galvanized steel. The smaller stuff is definitely a little weak and the diagonal cutter pointed ends results in random link slippage.

Related, thoughts on using lead-free solder on copper links to handle their propensity to bend free?
Most of my rings are 16SWG 5/6" through I do have some smaller 18SWG 3/16" ones (someone got me a "kit" for xmas)

I haven't moved into making my own rings (I've looked up how) mainly cause I would want all the colors and that just expounds the cost.
 

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Over the weekend I made myself a new fidgit / paper weight. It is a 5x5x5 jelly cube.

Been awhile since I made a jelly cube so took a bit to get started (I had made my kids 3x3x3 ones when I first started doing chainmail)

I don't think I'd make another one that large since it takes a ton of links (over 1000 total) and with no real use for it.
 

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Does anyone have any experience making their own jump rings?

I've been looking at it recently and I believe I can get everything needed for most IDs for ~50$ including a jewelry saw. Then it looks like you can buy "bundles" of aluminum wire in various colors / gauges on amazon for like 20$ (25 colors 10 meters each).

My main stopping point before was having to color the wires and not wanting to set up that step. But since it seems you can buy wire pre-colored I think it would save money in the long run. But then I get back to the point of what am I trying to make with chainmail since the wife doesn't like bracelets/necklaces and is still wearing studs from having her ears re-pierced after kids (they liked to grab them).

I guess I'm just trying to convince myself to bite the bullet and spend the initial $$
 

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Making rings is easy. Well, depending on how you want to cut them. You get a mandrill, (Steel rods of a variety of sizes are available at home center stores.),of the ID you want to shoot for, (Account for spring-back.), and coil your wire tightly around the mandrill to form a spring. Then, cut the rings off the spring. You can get fancy by making a power coiling jig with a hand drill, but be careful, as you can create a nasty metal whip this way and do some real damage. A jig where you don't need your hands on the wire would be best.

The part where it can become expensive is how you cut the rings. On the easy/cheap end, you can cut them with aviation snips, which leaves ends like //. You can cut with a set of bolt cutters/diagonal wire cutters, but that leaves ends like ><. In harder wire, you can use the score'n'break method, where you use something like the Knipex CoBolts, (An excellent tool.), and cut just a bit into each ring, before twisting it to break it off. This will leave ends kind of like this:
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But if you want perfect, flat ends, then you're going to need to cut them with a saw. With softer metals, you can cut them by hand with a jeweler's hand saw, but it's not quick and takes some practice to be consistent. For mass production/harder materials, you're going to need to look at something like The Ringinator.

Or, you can bypass the whole situation and buy pre-cut rings from The Ring Lord...
I know it has been months but the reason I'm looking into making them is I think once the initial outlay has been spent I should be able to make the rings at least as cheaply while still having more control over sizing. I find myself wanting to try more "complex" weaves that require multiple sizes which yes I could just buy them all from ring lord (or chainmail joe) but I'd need to buy a larger order than I might need at the time vs quickly making up a bunch to try out a weave
 

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So I finally gave in after looking at various different options and bought a winder and jewelers saw. I also bought 25 rolls of 18g Aluminum wire as well but of course those haven't been delivered yet.

They should be here this weekend and then I can figure out what I want to make. Decided to go for the pre-colored wire so I don't need to start a whole other hobby for coloring them. I will most likely need to figure out some type of cutting jig but I have some scrap wood and a decent idea of what it should be (I think). I'll post some pics once I get it figured out.
 
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So I finally gave in after looking at various different options and bought a winder and jewelers saw. I also bought 25 rolls of 18g Aluminum wire as well but of course those haven't been delivered yet.

They should be here this weekend and then I can figure out what I want to make. Decided to go for the pre-colored wire so I don't need to start a whole other hobby for coloring them. I will most likely need to figure out some type of cutting jig but I have some scrap wood and a decent idea of what it should be (I think). I'll post some pics once I get it figured out.

So I got this and I was right I need to figure out a jig. Between work and the damn snow we have been getting I haven't had a chance to figure that out.

I've cut a few "test" runs and yeah I need a jig to hold the coil in place while I cut. Hopefully can get something going this weekend.
 

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Back when I made my own, I wound (I think it was 12 AWG) galvanized steel wire around a short ½ or ¾ inch metal tube (of the kind used to run electrical wire on the wall inside buildings). I eventually settled on winding 20 cm of wire, then partially sliding the coil of and cutting 15cm of rings, then using the remaining loops to help me continue the winding process.

I had plans to improve the jig, but this was around the time I finished HS so on one hand I lost interest after half a year or so of sporadic activity, and on the other I had very little spare money to dedicate to it so manual labor trumped more expensive tools.
yeah I've been running into an issue where the coil doesn't stay coiled when I attempt to cut them. I have some ideas on how to solve this issue but life has got in the way so I haven't had a chance to test it more.
 

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Back when I used to wind galvanized (because I was poor, and learning) in high school, ya know, last millennium, I just drilled a hole cross-ways through my winding dowel and stuffed bit of wire through there to start the coil. It had some waste and a maximum coil length before needing to remove it from the dowel and start anew, but I have no idea how else it should be done.
I got metal winding dowels that have a hole in them so I can wind fine it is just when I go to cut it they don't stay coiled and I don't want to try cutting while still on the dowel since I don't want to damage the dowel. I've had some house projects taking priority so haven't had a chance to really play around but I have an idea how to "fix" the issue
 
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